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Bruce Gerencser

Should we not be open, completely open, with how we spend tax exempt contributions?

Churches, by definition are tax exempt. A Church does not have to be 501c3 to be tax exempt. The IRS has a general standard they use to determine a "church is a church."

With tax exemption comes regulation. If you are tax exempt yo have to play by these rules. The rules are the same for everyone who is tax exempt (though some Churches are exempt from filing some forms)

It should be noted that everyone of these targeted Churches are from th e prosperity gospel corner of Christianity. Their excess has made them a target. They only have themselves to blame. Jets, lavish homes, excessive spending.....Red flags to Grassley and I am sure others. I suspect they are balking, not out of principle, but out of fear of being exposed.

I should note that pastors get a special tax break that no other US citizen gets....the housing allowance. I suspect people would be shocked to find out that the money be spent for the lavish lifestyles of these ministers is not taxed.

I understand your concern over Grassley and how he has gone about this. Your concern is warranted.

But.......30 years of ministry has shown me a lot of financial funny business in the name of God.

I think the whole issue of Tax exemption in the country needs to be reexamined and more narrowly defined. Some Churches are involved in businesses that are clearly "for profit" yet because they are "ministry" they are tax exempt.

Bruce

Melissa Rogers

Bruce, thanks for your comments. Churches should be accountable for abiding by the relevant legal restrictions. My concerns are not about whether but about how those restrictions are enforced by the government and about the precedent that might be set with this investigation. I do not want to set a precedent, for example, that would allow the government to go on fishing expeditions in church records and otherwise run roughshod over the protections for the religious autonomy of congregations.

(Regarding your comment on churches and their status as tax-exempt entities, those who are interested in learning more about the requirements that apply to churches may want to read the IRS tax guide for churches and other religious organizations http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Among many other things, it say that churches that meet the 501(c)(3) requirements are automatically considered tax-exempt and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of that status from the IRS.)

As for possible reform of law and policy in this area, I'm looking at that issue carefully. I'm not a tax specialist, so I want to make sure that I understand the full implications of any proposed reforms before commenting on various proposals.

I will keep listening to hear what Senator Grassley and his staff have to say on all these issues. There are legitimate competing interests that must be balanced. I'd like to hear more about how those interests are being balanced in the course of this particular investigation and in the discussion of any potential reforms in this field.

And, as I've said before, if these organizations indeed do not belong to non-governmental accountability groups like the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, I urge them to join them. Organizations like these play a critical role in correcting problems so that the government does not have to do so. Of course, if they refuse to be accountable in that way, it is likely to create problems that the government then has to solve, and that can trigger other dilemmas. So please do not read my comments as a defense of the way they have conducted their ministries (or of their theology).

Again, thanks for your comments, Bruce. I respect and appreciate your views, and I look forward to continuing the conversation.

perry andrews

birds of the air have nests. Foxes have holes. The son of man hath not where to lay his head.

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